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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: May 2, 2010 11:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: it's not too late to help - Jer, Bob & Mickey did

I think BP means Bad People, including - and especially, their shareholders.

CNN and all the others have virtually stopped reporting about the US wars in Iraq and Afghanistan over 2 years ago - like they don't exist as our wars - wars over Oil. Torture, secret prisons, indefinite detentions, and warantless wiretapping are the norms of our day - for ALL of us.

We have "drill baby, drill." They have been calling oil "clean oil" in their ads. And of course, coal is magically now "clean coal." Worst of all, they're bringing back nuclear energy for OUR insatiable power consumption. All this is underpinned by let the Markets Rule.

Where I come from, Mother Nature rules. Modern-day "man" ignores this fact. Why are consumers living in a fantasy world?

Greenpeace is one of the few "environmental organanizations" that can honestly tell you this fact: We ensure our financial independence from political or commercial interests.

please support Greenpeace

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The Grateful Dead and Jerry Garcia connection with Greenpeace is very strong. It goes way back. On Tuesday, September 13, 1988, Jerry Garcia, Bob Weir, Mickey Hart, the Chairman of Greenpeace USA, and others sat down at a panel in the United Nations. They alerted the world's press to the horror of the vanishing rain forest.

When asked why the Grateful Dead was getting into the act and helping to publicize the plight of the rainforest, Jerry Garcia answered, "It seems pathetic that it has to be us, with all the other citizens of the planet, and all the other resources out there, but since no one else is doing anything about it, we don't really have any choice."

A dozen years earlier, when the Greenpeace mission had expanded from protesting nuclear proliferation to also include stopping commercial whaling, Country Joe McDonald played at a send-off concert for a Greenpeace ship in Vancouver in 1976. Country Joe also dedicated his hit single "Save the Whales" to Greenpeace. The next year, when one of the Greenpeace ships, the James Bay, was docked in San Francisco and had no means to get back out on the high seas to continue chasing the whaling fleets, a group of Greenpeacers went to see Jerry Garcia of the Grateful Dead, who was playing with the Jerry Garcia Band in Berkeley.

When the Greenpeacers laid out their dilemma to Jerry -- they needed $10,000 to fuel up the ship and buy provisions -- he was immediately open to the idea of doing a benefit concert. Five days later, on August 12th, 1977, the Jerry Garcia Band stood right there on San Francisco’s Pier 31, in front of the James Bay, and played to a sold-out crowd. The concert raised $20,000, and the James Bay sailed out of port on August 19, headed back out to help save the whales.

Jer playing the Travis Bean guitar with the Jerry Garcia Band
Benefit for Greenpeace, with Maria Muldaur, at Pier 31, San Francisco, CA

August 12th, 1977

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CBS Documentary - Hippie Temptation - 1967
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these are THE 1967 roots The Boys laid down with "the rest of us"

Jerry Garcia:
What we're thinking about is a peaceful planet. We're not thinking of anything else. We're not thinking about any kind of power. We're not thinking about any of those kinds of struggles. We're not thinking about revolution or war or any of that. That's not what we want. Nobody wants to get hurt. Nobody wants to hurt anybody. We would all like to be able to live an uncluttered life, a simple life, a good life and think about moving the whole human race ahead a step.

Phil Lesh:
I think that personally, the more people that turn on, the better world it's gonna be.

Bob Weir:
You can point out the example that the people that live in the community and play around with dope and stuff like that - they don't have wars, you know. And they don't have a lot of the problems that alot of society has.

Phil Lesh:
In essence, the scene has grown up with us, and we have grown up with the scene. We've all grown up together.


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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: May 3, 2010 8:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: it's not too late to help - Jer, Bob & Mickey did

Greenpeace objective? Hmm. Who at all is objective? Oil spills are an awful tragedy. BP ought to have capped it ASAP, but many, many people will be suing them ASAP. Unfortunately until cold fusion ( or something) this is a price we pay for cars, computers, flight,ect. Could We have toured or even heard this music without fossil fuels? Hate to say this but today, now, nuclear power is the only energy source that could replace oil. Which risk is safer? And of course, let a thousand blossoms bloom with inventors and scientists in their work for cleaner energy sources

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: May 3, 2010 9:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: it's not too late to help - Jer, Bob & Mickey did

as much as i hate the spill and wish more safety controls had been in place, I wouldnt be typing on this "consumer" device, nor listening to the GD on my iPod at the moment without fossil fuels.

and last time I checked, I do believe the ships Greenpeace uses are run on fossil fuels (unless they have started rowing them recently to conserve mother earth)

I am a HUGE conservationist!! but I also have to sprinkle my philosophy with a dose of reality here and there.


(Oceanic Wind Turbines Rule!! fuck the scenic ocean views of the Kennedy's and their ilk!!)

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Poster: headgdhead Date: May 3, 2010 10:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: it's not too late to help - Jer, Bob & Mickey did

Amen Dire! The NIMBY mindset has paralyzed our energy policy since the 1970's. Bottom line is unless you're completely disconnected from the grid, do not drive or use public transportation, go shoeless and wear animal skins, you're just as complicit as BP, Obama or W. We've become a nation of whiners and it's really not becoming.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: May 3, 2010 3:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: it's not too late to help - Jer, Bob & Mickey did

I don't feel guilty for using fossil feuls but I don't think it's unreasonable to ask oil companies and the States ( like mine ) that welcome oil with open arms to have contingency plans in place. To have this go on for this long is ridiculous. Some years back some idiot shot at the pipeline up here and it took them at LEAST two days to shut it down while oil flooded the tundra. Come on, to not have a plan in place is beyond irresponible when you're dealing with this

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 3, 2010 9:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: it's not too late to help - Jer, Bob & Mickey did

Yep, J--this notion that "self regulation" is all we need is laughable (as I understand, BP was totally on top of it, didn't need the CGuard initially, etc., etc.)...hmmm, how many times have we heard that before?

And, I do enjoy my bunny slippers, but recall, Dire, that I killed them with a rubber stick, then ran over them with my Hummer, so oil consumption was a factor (had to flatten them to fit my size 15's).

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: May 3, 2010 8:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: it's not too late to help - Jer, Bob & Mickey did

"..go shoeless and wear animal skins,"

i do believe our esteemed Prime Minister, Mr Tell, does exactly that! (either that, or it was a jackalope i saw in the Arizonan desert - not sure which)

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: May 4, 2010 6:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: it's not too late to help - Jer, Bob & Mickey did

From Louisiana to Alabama, Mississippi, and Florida, countless thousands of shrimpers, oystermen, crabbers, and fishermen stand to lose everything over this gushing Oil Leak. It is not "a spill." And what does this mean to our food chain? This oil is being dispersed throughout the water-column.

White sandy beaches and nursery-type ecosystems could be wiped out for decades. Tourism and its income, and all those jobs that go with it, could be devasted. What will be left of all these towns if large amounts of oil come ashore, and come inland? It's possible - I hope not - that this oil leak can migrate up the East coast?

There are numerous GD fisherman that regularly post on this Forum. I think these issues are very important to all of us.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: May 4, 2010 9:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: it's not too late to help - Jer, Bob & Mickey did

Monte - I think you misinterpreted my post.

I also think this disaster is reprehensible. I also believe it is the fault of our spineless government for not forcing BP, MobileExxon, (and others) to ensure proper safeguards are in place (as they are in Northern Europe.) Trust me - I am sickened every time I turn on the news and hear more about this completely avoidable disaster.


However, to think that we can do without fossil fuels at this time in our history is naive at best. People complain about the environmental impact of oil and coal, never mind their poor history in the loss of human lives in obtaining it (ie. two very recent horrific mine disasters.) But no one wants nuclear either even though the safeguards in place at nuclear facilities are far more stringent.

Unfortunately, unless the world agrees to move backward from a technological standpoint, we are a bit stuck. Neither solar nor wind can handle "our" consumption requirements on a continental nor worldly level. This is unfortunate, but true. Hopefully in a few decades our energy requirements can be fulfilled in methods more safe to both us and the earth. Until then all we can do is do our part to conserve on an individual level, lobby for stricter safeguards in the aforementioned industries, and await technological advances in cold fusion (or other like potential discoveries.)

Anyways - I certainly do not have all the answers. Unfortunately, our government could have protected against this disaster and failed miserably (once again bending over and opening wide for the all important dollar and vote.)

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: May 5, 2010 12:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: it's not too late to help - Jer, Bob & Mickey did

I needed a place to say my thing yesterday. Your post was the easiest one for me to put my reply. Sorry, Dire. I sort of used you for my convenience, to use "the mic." Thanks for taking a stand and chiming in. This whole thing sickens me as much as anyone.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: May 5, 2010 1:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: it's not too late to help - Jer, Bob & Mickey did

no apology necessary Monte - this world's reprehensible abuse of energy and misuse of methods to obtain such sicken me as well.

i do always enjoy your knowledgeable posts (even if I disagree occasionally, but not often)

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: May 2, 2010 1:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: it's not too late to help - Jer, Bob & Mickey did

updated 30 minutes ago at The Denver Post website --

The Coast Guard and BP have said it's nearly impossible to know exactly how much oil has gushed since the blast, though it has been roughly estimated the well was spewing at least 200,000 gallons a day. Even at that rate, the spill should eclipse the 1989 Exxon Valdez incident as the worst U.S. oil disaster in history in a matter of weeks.

The oil slick over the water's surface appeared to triple in size in the course of two days, which could indicate an increase in the rate oil is pouring from the well, according to one analysis of images collected from satellites and reviewed by the University of Miami. While it's hard to judge the volume of oil by satellite because of depth, images do indicate growth, experts said.

"The spill and the spreading is getting so much faster and expanding much quicker than they estimated," said Hans Graber, executive director of the university's Center for Southeastern Tropical Advanced Remote Sensing.

In an exploration plan and environmental impact analysis filed with the federal government in February 2009, BP said it had the capability to handle a "worst-case scenario" at the site, which the document described as a leak of 162,000 barrels per day from an uncontrolled blowout—6.8 million gallons each day.
Who the hell signed off on this bullshit?

And the situation could become far more grave if the oil gets into the Gulf Stream and carries it to the beaches of Florida—and potentially loops around the state's southern tip and up the eastern seaboard. Prime fishing waters, pristine beaches and countless wildlife could be ruined.

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: May 2, 2010 1:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: it's not too late to help - Jer, Bob & Mickey did

”Every asshole who ever chanted ‘Drill Baby Drill’ should have to report to the Gulf Coast today for cleanup duty.”

-Bill Maher

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Poster: jacofny Date: May 3, 2010 12:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: it's not too late to help - Jer, Bob & Mickey did

Bill Maher is the biggest ass hole in the U.S.A.
A real country hating ass wipe!

Look at the people he has on his shows.

Libs,self centered,commis,hypocrites,show biz jerk offs

Who gives a shit what these people say!
The Media is bringing this country down.
Arizona has the right idea.

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Poster: cush212 Date: May 3, 2010 6:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: it's not too late to help - Jer, Bob & Mickey did

"Arizona has the right idea."

Are you stupid or what? Have you ever lived there and seen what butthead arpaio and his thugs have been doing to mostly innocent people, and now they have a green light to hassle ANYONE for no reason!!! Dumbass, who cares about the constitution or whatever that stupid old piece of paper is called anymore.

My apologies to everyone else, even though I'm not there anymore, I feel very strongly about this!

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 3, 2010 9:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: it's not too late to help - Jer, Bob & Mickey did

Oh, great! Take pot-shots at us while you're safe and sound at the coast! I hope you have your ID ready when I give Joe your new addy--he's happy to cross state boundaries to make a legitimate arrest now and agin...BTW, coolest spring in a while; better than last yr! Enjoying it while it lasts...

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Poster: jacofny Date: May 4, 2010 8:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: it's not too late to help - Jer, Bob & Mickey did

No one is safe.I work in NYC right where the car bomb almost blew up.Send them all back to where they belong and don't you come back no more.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: May 4, 2010 8:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: it's not too late to help - Jer, Bob & Mickey did

that sheriff is a douche, but what is the big deal about having to carry ID with you when you go out - I do

the intent of the new law is fine with me - it just has to be put into practice humanely

i mean, i couldnt just run off to Spain, hang out, soak off the system, never become a citizen, and think no one is going to care.

i am not being racist - I just say that if you love this country, want to live here, then BECOME A CITIZEN!!! I know plenty of people who have, as i am sure you do too. Immigration is a GREAT thing - if it is done LEGALLY

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 4, 2010 10:14am
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That's "Mr Joeseph Douche", to you kind sir.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: May 4, 2010 10:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: it's not too late to help - Jer, Bob & Mickey did

my apologies

please do not inform him of my error - i dont want no trouble with The Law

:)

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 3, 2010 1:23pm
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I refuse to get involved, but SDH will back me up on this: the last "good idea" we had in AZ was in acquiting Wyatt and Doc at the OK Corral shootout...and trust me, the Mclaureys see it differently, so even that one ain't open and shut. I just think that the cowboys "were asking for it" and unfortunately Tom and Frank got caught up in it...Frank was still the "star" of the "show" having been gut-shot, he still managed to "hit" three of the four "good guys". Depending on who you ask of course.

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Poster: user unknown Date: May 2, 2010 2:09pm
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agreed

UPDATE: At 10:40AM ET on Friday, Sarah Palin made her first comment on the oil spill, posting the following on Twitter: "Having worked/lived thru Exxon oil spill,my family&I understand Gulf residents' fears.Our prayers r w/u.All industry efforts must b employed"

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: May 2, 2010 3:48pm
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It's true about the difference between Sarah Palin's mouth and her vagina: Only 1 in 5 things that come out of her vagina are retarded.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: May 3, 2010 8:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: it's not too late to help - Jer, Bob & Mickey did

Nice. You should Save this post to show her child in 20 years. I sure it will help with a difficult life w/Downs Syn. (ever cared for someone w/DSyn ?) I'm guess it comes from the ol' some humans are more equal then others. Yes? A young child should always be used as a political football. Make sure to kick real hard now. Arrogant and stupid what a wonderful combo

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Poster: hippie64 Date: May 3, 2010 12:02pm
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Sarah tee'd that football up the minute she strolled on to the political scene telling everyone else how to raise their families.

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: May 6, 2010 6:51pm
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It's a f-ing joke get over it.

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Poster: angular Date: May 2, 2010 12:44pm
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Why doesn't the news media report on the wars and oil anymore? One magic word:

OBAMA

I never hear about gas prices anymore. They were $1.61 when OBAMA took office.
What happened to global warming? I never hear about it anymore.

OBAMA

Hail the savior. He has come to deliver us all! Deliver to where, I don't know.

Now I will get ready to get quoted and blasted.

This commentary was based on the few opening lines, not the whole picture laden body of work.

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Poster: user unknown Date: May 2, 2010 1:04pm
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Contrary to what his detractors would have you believe; Obama is NOT "The Savior", NOR is he "The Anti-Christ". Barack Obama is simply a man who has big dreams and it is those who dream big that accomplish big things. Will Obama accomplish big things? That remains to be seen, but I will guarantee you that you can never hit higher than you aim. To be perfectly frank, the POTUS is somewhat a figurehead who is subject to the whims of a very contentious group of legislators. To give him credit, or ascribe blame, for situations is misguided at best.

"Now I will get ready to get quoted and blasted."

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Poster: angular Date: May 2, 2010 1:06pm
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Hitler dreamt big

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Poster: littledirewolfy Date: May 2, 2010 1:46pm
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Only an idiot would compare Obama to Hitler,
just as only an idiot would have compared Bush
to Hitler.
Get a life idiot.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: May 2, 2010 3:17pm
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This board's mean IQ has been dropping steadily.

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 2, 2010 8:32pm
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Damn--and I have been tryiing to cut down on posting, but Lou's trivia game sucked me in...I'll sign off now in an effort to do my small part to elevate it!

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Poster: hippie64 Date: May 3, 2010 10:21am
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Have you gone crackers? To make that comparison you would have to stop reading and watching any fact based news outlet and just run Faux news on a continuous loop, To begin with Hitler was a nationalist, A far cry from what I've seen from the Obama administration. Is that all the right has, Limbaugh, hannity, Beck,Palin, spewing Obama is Hitler? LOL Do people know how stupid and uneducated that sounds?
If this is all the right can show me, sorry Palin, McCain, and the rest to spew rhetoric.
If I remember correctly a year before Bush left office gas prices spiked to over 5.00 a gallon. And at the time if you recall the only explanation Bush could provide for the reason was NONE!( he wasn't smart enough to explain the futures market that took a hit because of derivitives)
you can bet petro prices will spike after this disaster, at least we know the reasons this time, BP doen't give a good GD about what they do to the enviroment.

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Poster: Edsel Date: May 3, 2010 11:17am
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Yeah, those damn right wingers calling Barry Hiltler, no one on the left would ever do such a thing, would they.

http://www.google.com/images?q=bush+is+hitler&;rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&oe=UTF-8&rlz=1I7DKUS_en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=iQ7fS-OfJpS2NsDLtccH&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBUQsAQwAA

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Poster: hippie64 Date: May 3, 2010 11:28am
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Unfortunately more of a case can be made for Bush's aspirations than Obama, but at this music forum I don't think the venue permits. hitler governed from the left? Not the history I studied.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: May 3, 2010 1:59pm
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Nazi = National Socialist Workers Party. Intent here is Historical accuracy, not part of political football discussed today.

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Poster: user unknown Date: May 3, 2010 7:22pm
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historically correct.......

but a gross ideological misnomer

socialist? not even close

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Poster: user unknown Date: May 2, 2010 1:18pm
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I believe, in Hitler's case, it was more delusions of grandeur and an insatiable thirst for power. I haven't really seen either of those traits in Barack Obama. But hey, I've been wrong before. We may see them at some point in the future. Of course, the US system of checks and balances is supposed to prevent that from happening here.

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Poster: Shooting Dark Star Date: May 2, 2010 2:46pm
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You should go burn some books. Education is not your thing.

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